Coaching: Anti-Tanking / Incentive Rules (outdated)

[MagicGM]

Here are the win totals;

60 or more wins +2 attributes,
45-59 wins, +1 attribute
35-45 wins, no change
20-35 wins, -1 attribute
Less than 20 wins, -2 attributes

I like the idea, but I think it would be better to keep it +1 even for 60+ wins since the goal is to prevent tanking and not to reward best teams. Just my opinion.

I agree with the Celtics on this.

Other thoughts?  I'm fine with that in principle, but we'll have to see how it plays out (if the possibility of losing 2 but not being able to gain 2 means that most everyone is between C and B, maybe we need to change something to incentivize winning). 

[BucksGM]

Fine with it, incentive for pushing from 45 to 60 is contending for the title. We'll just have to watch how it balances out.

[KingsGM]

Here are the win totals;

60 or more wins +2 attributes,
45-59 wins, +1 attribute
35-45 wins, no change
20-35 wins, -1 attribute
Less than 20 wins, -2 attributes

I like the idea, but I think it would be better to keep it +1 even for 60+ wins since the goal is to prevent tanking and not to reward best teams. Just my opinion.

Concur

[MagicGM]

Fine with it, incentive for pushing from 45 to 60 is contending for the title. We'll just have to watch how it balances out.

Agree.

[WizardsGM]

I like how 35-45 it pushes. Landing in that area isn't difficult if you participate in FA.

[SonicsGM]

I like the notion you gain a benefit to your coach just by ccontending for a title. Seems like a great benefit to reward the almost teams even if they don't win.

[PelicansGM]

I think their should be a cap as to the coaching improvements. Because it will just make the rich get richer.

[KingsGM]

Question. Doesn't the game from time to time retire coaches?

[MagicGM]

Question. Doesn't the game from time to time retire coaches?

Yes, we'll have a spreadsheet or something that keeps track of where everyone is so that we can plug in the new values.

[Gasper]

Here are the win totals;

60 or more wins +2 attributes,
45-59 wins, +1 attribute
35-45 wins, no change
20-35 wins, -1 attribute
Less than 20 wins, -2 attributes

I like the idea, but I think it would be better to keep it +1 even for 60+ wins since the goal is to prevent tanking and not to reward best teams. Just my opinion.

So we start with this rule this season?
Does teams with 60+ wins get +2 or +1?

I did some analysis with previous standings from FBB3.

Option 1:
60 or more wins +2 attributes,
45-59 wins, +1 attribute
35-44 wins, no change
20-34 wins, -1 attribute
Less than 20 wins, -2 attributes


27 teams finished with 60 or more wins, 101 teams finished with 45-59 wins, etc.

This means our teams would get total +24 coaching skill over last 10 seasons.


Option 2:

45 or more wins, +1 attribute
35-44 wins, no change
20-34 wins, -1 attribute
Less than 20 wins, -2 attributes



Means our teams would get total -3 coaching skill over last 10 seasons.


Personally I am still much in favor of Option 2 because I really think Option 1 favors elite teams to much.

[MagicGM]

Rule is in place starting this season.  60 wins only gets +1 rating for the reason Celtics identified.

Great stats!

[BucksGM]

*math*

Really cool seeing the math on this and I think it does a great job of showing that capping the increases to +1 is the way to go.

[MagicGM]

Reminder that beginning this season, the anti-tanking rules are in place and rookie contract extensions set the 5th year at 2x the previous year's salary.

[Gasper]

Reminder that beginning this season, the anti-tanking rules are in place and rookie contract extensions set the 5th year at 2x the previous year's salary.

Regarding coaching attributes changes. I believe we should set the rule that you can only increase your lowest attribute and decrease your highest attribute. Otherwise GM could simply decide to decrease scouting attribute to F, rely on html scouting and leave other training camp attributes unaffected.

For instance, the team that got -2 this season must split -1 over two attributes and in case he get -1 next season it must be assigned to third attribute that.

[WolvesGM]

Regarding coaching attributes changes. I believe we should set the rule that you can only increase your lowest attribute and decrease your highest attribute. Otherwise GM could simply decide to decrease scouting attribute to F, rely on html scouting and leave other training camp attributes unaffected.

For instance, the team that got -2 this season must split -1 over two attributes and in case he get -1 next season it must be assigned to third attribute that.

I think this is a smart idea and a good catch of a loophole that might not have been obvious until it was being exploited. We can see already that virtually every team forced to lose points has so far elected to have them taken from the scouting section. Another less elegant option would be to simply eliminate the ability to increase/decrease the scouting attributes, but I think Gasper's suggestion is better and sort of simulates an overall organizational decay/improvement which I find more realistic than a team cratering or excelling in a single area. In real life a winning or losing culture snowballs and permeates an entire organization.